Planet Grok

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Controversy in the Comments

Posted by PlanetGrok on March 13, 2010

Some people seemed to take my post “The Racial Tallies Are In” a lot more seriously than I did. David Alexander felt the need to become the Atlas of the black race and wallow in the pits of racial despair yet again. Obsidian chided me for not being DA’s shrink, again. A couple of Hispanic commenters took offense at my joke that Hispanics have no racial strengths (despite the fact that I can almost guarantee these commenters look nothing like the border jumpers) and some White Power guy felt the need to make an ill-informed and offensive rant. I briefly thought about censoring Mr. Stormfront, but then I figured that since I had already let Obsidian call white people “crackers” several times, I would let this comment slide also. The Asian of Reason took the assessments in stride as usual, and contributed to my mission of building more accurate racial stereotypes.

All very interesting.

Vincent Ignatius made a couple of good points that tied into an earlier post, Mr. Kurtz syndrome. He commented that the people who seem to be the most snobby about their intelligence are those ~2 standard deviations above the norm, because those that are much higher have a hard time relating to people in general, even other “smart” people. I think he’s on track here.

Mr. Kurtz Syndrome is most likely going to set in when a person’s idealistic notions of reality come crashing down. When you have an IQ of about 130 or so (top 2 or 3 %), you’ll spend your youth surrounded by other people of about the same intelligence. Many families have an historical mean IQ of 130. I’d wager that this describes the average AP student in a US high school (besides those schools in heavily minority districts where students are improperly tracked into AP classes).  When your IQ gets to ~ 3 standard deviations, it is hard to relate to even the “smart kids”, so you either 1) stop being picky, or 2) don’t develop any friends at all, and fall off the “nerd cliff”. Those who have extremely high IQ’s are thus unlikely to develop Mr. Kurtz syndrome because they are unlikely to develop overly idealistic notions of intellectual equality to begin with.

Obsidian just put up a new post where he seems to think the end result of HBD acceptance is the extermination of black people. That’s silly. But he wisely chose to quote at length the much more articulate David Alexander, which may make his post worth responding to.

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31 Responses to “Controversy in the Comments”

  1. I’m seriously lolling at search engine queries that lead to my recent blog posts.

    Suppose it can’t be long before I get similar lengthy comments with email addresses like: kill_n1gg3rs@aol.com

  2. “When you have an IQ of about 130 or so (top 2 or 3 %), you’ll spend your youth surrounded by other people of about the same intelligence. Many families have an historical mean IQ of 130. I’d wager that this describes the average AP student in a US high school (besides those schools in heavily minority districts where students are improperly tracked into AP classes).”

    I think you overestimating the IQ. At 130, it’s highly unlikely that you’ll spend your youth surrounded by other people of about the same intelligence, unless you attend a selective school with extremely high entry requirements, and there are very few of these around. Even in upper-class public schools/private schools, I’d say an IQ of 115 is far more realistic, for the average student. An average AP student probably only has a max IQ of 120. An AP student who is scoring 4-5s consistently, 130.

    • PlanetGrok said

      As always, I’m open to being wrong, but AP classes in many public schools only have the top 5% or less of students. In my AP classes years ago the average SAT scores were in the 1400s (when it was out of 1600) which corresponds to at least a 130 IQ, according to comparison charts I’ve seen in the past.

      • AP classes in many public schools probably have around 10% or less of students. However, at most public schools, these students wouldn’t be 1400+ SAT kids, they would only be around 1250-1350 kids. At rich public schools, a large percentage of students take AP courses, exceeding 50% in many cases.

        Eric is right, consistently scoring 5’s/1400+ SAT is highly indicative of a 130+ IQ. However, the average AP kid, isn’t getting all 5’s, he’s probably getting a mix of 3’s and 4’s, and scores between 1250-1350 on the SAT. It’s unrealistic to assume the AVERAGE AP student is a 1400+ SAT scorer. You do refer to the average after all. I think you are superimposing your experience onto reality. I call your bet, and raise it. I’m glad you are open to being wrong. Not many people are. Especially, um, yeah.

        And unless you hang out with nerds all the time, I don’t see how you can spend your entire youth without any meaningful contact with people of lower intelligence. There are activities such as athletics that can bring people from all IQ’s together.

        I’ve had a few white friends from high school who I considered “dumb”, but they most likely had IQ’s of 100~. They were fun to hang out with, but deeper conservation with them never went far. One of my friends father was an emergency room surgeon, but he wasn’t a bright one. The apple fell far from that tree. I suppose his dearth of intelligence could be attributed to the fact that his mother was a signer/model and I didn’t think his mom was too bright. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have offspring considerably dumber than myself. The thought scares me. That’s why I’ll insist on marrying smart.

        I think you are wrong on Mr.Kurtz syndrome either. I think it can be very easy to connect with people of lower IQ, as long as you realize their limitations, and stop expecting the impossible from them. It’s easy to see them as less human only if you believe that their limitations are a result of a lack of effort. Then you become angry at their shortcomings, like Mr. Kurtz.

      • PlanetGrok said

        I think you are superimposing your experience onto reality.

        Sure, a little bit.

        If you haven’t noticed, this blog is more about casual observations than data mining. I try to keep it fun. 🙂

        And unless you hang out with nerds all the time, I don’t see how you can spend your entire youth without any meaningful contact with people of lower intelligence. There are activities such as athletics that can bring people from all IQ’s together.

        If the segregation is only in the academic realm, then it can be easy to reason the only cause for the underperformance of others is their values/class/upbringing/work ethic.

      • his mother was a signer/model and I didn’t think his mom was too bright.

        Many cases of the apple “falling far from the tree” are actually instances of the apple not even being on the tree in the first place. *cough* cuckold *cough*

  3. Eric said

    I went to a good high school in Fairfax County (one of the richest counties in the US). I’d estimate my class IQ around 110-115. We took an IQ test in AP Psych and the class average was 120. Most of my friends who were in the 1250-1350 SAT range were getting 3s/4s on their APs. Those who were high 1400s or 1500s were getting 5s on all their APs.

    • Maruf said

      LOL, TJ. My impression was the same.

      • Eric said

        I didn’t go to TJ, although a friend of mine transferred there sophomore year. He said that two-thirds of the kids were above-average hard workers but nothing crazy. Another quarter were like him and me (+3 SD). The remaining 10% were definitely smarter than us.

        My interactions with TJ kids at UVA supports his observation.

  4. Phoenixism said

    Simple question.

    To all these parents subjecting, or willing to subject, their children to IQ tests as age 6: WTF.

    If the U.S. government diligently embarked on a (mandatory) campaign to measure a representative sample of all U.S. children’s (standardized) IQ, I might buy some of it.

    As it is, IQ samples are but a wet dream of each parent’s misplaced youthful aspiration.

    IQ’s are only as good as the sample. Which frankly, sucks.

  5. PG, you asked if the site linked to in my moniker is mine, no. In fact, I got lambasted by the blogmaster of that blog for being a Desi GUY impersonating a Desi woman. LOL.

    Anyway, here’s another site you might find to be insightful, amusing and humorous.

    http://motherinlawhell.com/category/advice/indian-daughter-in-law/

    Take note that this is NOT an Indian site but a site by and (for?) a White Western Woman who dishes out advice on how to deal with (Western) mother in laws. But wouldn’t you know that the poor girl got FLOODED with questions from Desi wives about the drama they have to deal with between their hubby and his “other woman” girlfriend – his Mom.

    Seeing the Western women replying to them is also interested because they are like “WTF? And here we thought OUR MILs were bad!”….. LOL and they all advise the women to promptly divorce, which of course is not really an option for most of them.

    Yes, I AM on a mission!

    LOL

  6. ShutUpOrNutUp said

    I have a question, lets say that the Grays exist? How would they stock up in your tally of the different abilities of racial groups. I always thought of grays as super East Asians. I only mention this because you have a gray as your icon, PlanetGrok. The Grays deserve some credit.

    Here is a tally for the Grays

    Strengths: Super intelligent, psychic abilities, not very violent, hard working, no body oder.

    Weakness: No sex drive, horrible gray skin, creepy black eyes, massive head, hairless Asian like bodies.

    Verdict: Basically East Asians with psychic powers and more brain power, but less sex drive. Grays from now on are called Asialians.

  7. Hungry Hungry Hippos said

    As a commenter, David Alexander is just a much better and more interesting version of Obsidian, though I’d guess DA is quite depressed and wouldn’t be much fun to be around.

    • ShutUpOrNutUp said

      I really do not know if he would be fun to be around, but I would think David Alexander would just be a good friend to have. Obsidian is an asshole, while Alexander is warm, intelligent, and seems to me to be a honest man. I think the world would be better off if more people were like Alexander.

  8. Steerage said

    David Alexander seems smart, reasonable, and honest.

    Obsidian clearly often has somewhat of a problem with HBD bloggers because they’ll openly assert and discuss things like lower relative IQ, higher relative crime, etc., among blacks. He’s obviously irritated by it, at least somewhat.

    That’s why he’ll passive-aggressively needle white HBD blogs and bloggers by always harping on the problems of high IQ or something like that.

    • Camlost said

      Speaking of which, I added this comment to Obsidian’s topic. (I doubt that it will make it on his site):

      _______________________________________

      We should pay African countries to accept the bottom 50% of African-Americans in exchange for educated, “real” Africans with a good work ethic and without the victim mentality.

      Here in Atlanta we have tons of recent African immigrants and the difference in values, work ethic and demeanor is painfully obvious. It is well known that the successful recent African immigrants are very hesitant about letting their children mix with American blacks, or pick up AA mannerisms or culture. In fact, I can almost always (visually) pick out the recent African immigrants by the way they carry themselves in public or even walk down the street.

      _____________________________________

  9. Obsidian just put up a new post where he seems to think the end result of HBD acceptance is the extermination of black people. That’s silly.

    I’d argue it’s the only reasonable solution to the problem. I don’t think it’s possible to have 12% of your population that’s easily discernible with lower living conditions, especially in light of surveys that seem to imply greater belief on their part to their skills and talents. I don’t think it’s sustainable to have black people living in any non-black country regardless of IQ, and the best option would be racial extermination. Via the method, whites are spared from having to deal with angry rump population that may engage in terrorism from being excluded from high standards of living, or from having to provide welfare to ensure high living standards. Blacks are spared from having to deal with the indignity of not being able to compete in the modern world and from being a complete embarrassment. One could argue that it’s better for blacks to not exist than to live with low living conditions.

    • ShutUpOrNutUp said

      That is so sad, Alexander. You break my heart. Dude, blacks are awesome. Black people may not be great thinkers in general, however, blacks do not have the attitude or coldness you find with white people. The world would be uninteresting without black people. I would rather live with poor black people, than a bunch of snotty liberal white yuppies. And anyway, with the right eugenics program, this problem would be solved easily with your help. I would take you and make you repeatedly have sex with the smartest and sexy black women that we can find. Dude, if you want to help your race, find some nice smart middle class black girl, and have children. I command you to do that. Alexander, with in you are the keys to the genetic salvation of the black race. I am serious, Alexander. May your descendants be as numerous as the stars at night, Alexander. Race is not forever, but merely a footnote in the long biological history of humanity. Alexander instead of being ashamed of your race, you should be proud of what you are. You are a miracle, something new and grand. Someday nature will favor black people over whites, as the sun becomes red and the earth boils from its incredible heat. Space may turn out to be too vast for human beings to explore. The singularity may turn out to be a nightmare that we would not want to pursue. Natural evolution may yet again become the deciding factor in human affairs. With the planet’s climate eventually going to increase do to the growth of the sun, nature will favor people with darker skin. A hot world is a black world, Alexander. Nature knows no racism, but merely chooses what works. Your people’s time may come someday. Good luck and good night, Alexander, may you live long and prosper.

      • ShutUpOrNutUp said

        “With the planet’s climate eventually going to increase do to the growth of the sun, nature will favor people with darker skin.”

        Oh my god, I forgot to put temperature after increase.

      • Phoenixism said

        “With the planet’s climate eventually going to increase do to the growth of the sun, nature will favor people with darker skin.”

        Oh my god, I forgot to put temperature after increase.

        While you’re there, correct the spelling of “do” also.

      • The world would be uninteresting without black people.

        Less interesting, but on a cost-benefit analysis, I don’t think there’s any productive advantage to keeping us around.

        And anyway, with the right eugenics program, this problem would be solved easily with your help.

        I’ve never found that to be an attractive idea. There’s something about the human essence that comes with naturally impregnating a woman, and I don’t think it’s filled when you adopt or use artificial insemination.

        I would take you and make you repeatedly have sex with the smartest and sexy black women that we can find.

        I prefer white women.

        you should be proud of what you are

        But I don’t see what’s there to be proud of.

      • ShutUpOrNutUp said

        “Less interesting, but on a cost-benefit analysis, I don’t think there’s any productive advantage to keeping us around.”

        Not everything in life involves making money and inventing stuff. At least black people did not build weapons that could destroy the world. What productive advantage is there if everybody is killed by atomic weapons invented by white people.

        “I’ve never found that to be an attractive idea. There’s something about the human essence that comes with naturally impregnating a woman, and I don’t think it’s filled when you adopt or use artificial insemination.”

        I was thinking of giving you a harem full of pretty and smart women to sleep with. It was originally going to be black women, but now I know you like Vanilla.

        “I prefer white women.”

        Then dude we will find you some white women to sleep with. Maybe you can give us our own version of Obama. An Obama for conservatives and libertarians.

        “But I don’t see what’s there to be proud of”

        You are an intelligent black dude, it is like you have all the black powers with none of the draw backs. Maybe you are not athletic, but you still have a better body than majority of white and Asian nerds out there.I mean, you are not some pasty looking freak. Also you do not have the snotty attitude that comes with being white. You are far more understanding of people and yourself than majority of white and Asian nerds out there. You just need some confidence, and you will do alright. All those Asian and white nerds secretly resent you, for having a black body with a black attitude. Why do you think many HBDers hate black dudes, because they wish they had their bodies and attitudes.

        This what you need to do, you need to join some club or organization with lots of nerdy white girls, especially ones that like anime. At my college, the anime club is full of nerdy white girls with black boyfriends. Dude, black men kill with nerdy white girls that like anime. The only white women who are not fat that date black men are nerds who love anime. The white women who are cute that date black men are nerds who love anime. You got the brains, you got the brawn, and now bag you some pale nerd pussy. Also white male nerds who love anime worship black dudes. They are the most negrophile and political correct species of white male nerd. They will think you are a god. Also your love of photography is add plus since nerdy white girls that love anime are usually into graphic design and media like photography. Your artistic side will give you an edge over the competition for that sweet pale nerdy pussy. Seriously, that is your promise land my friend, your promise land.

    • JB said

      So the dilemma is, continue AA and watch society degrade or face the threat of black terrorism?

      Then giving blacks their own country within the US would seem to be the best solution.

      Quarantine is the solution.

    • Haiti sucks, so do most countries in the world. get over it

      • JB said

        Your point being…?

        AA is a problem. DA predicts terrorism were AA to end.

        So a black country in the US would suck. Seems like the best of some really bad options.

      • Haiti sucks, so do most countries in the world. get over it

        The problem is that most black countries suck compared to all other countries. The only ones that don’t suck still have high crime rates and live off tourism, resource extraction, and banking from whites and have small populations. No black country is self-sustaining from the natural initiative and effort of native blacks, and that’s depressing.

      • So a black country in the US would suck. Seems like the best of some really bad options.

        The best option for everybody is the elimination of black people. Every other option leaves a miserable (and violent) group of people that will always be jealous of whites.

  10. Dotted Hindu Male said

    Do black guys really go for nerdy white girls who like anime???

    Who would’ve thought?

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